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Fredrik Ardmar	Saturday 17 October 2009 2:17:23 am Hi Thanks for the tip, and great that the toolbar now is separate. Both me and our clients like the concept of an easy edit toolbar directly at the website. I think its a very intuitive way for the client to edit a page. Our main problem is that the way this toolbar is implemented it kind of depends on a large uniform content area for doing the actual editing. The width needs to be more than xx px etc.. Many of our pages has more of portal design, or other design that does not allow for a editor to be opened within the design. In order to get around this we built our own toolbar with similar functions. The main difference is that editing is completely disconnected from the design of the site. That also opens up for editing of image objects, widgets, menus or other objects that does not really have a "full" design. You can see an example here: http://clients.areadigital.org/ad_front_edit_draft.png Even with this tool I think there is a need for a good solid, "you can do everything in one place" admin interface. And in my opinion the current interface is starting to be a bit of a show stopper for some of our clients. Being a small company its also hard to invest the time to just redo it ourselves. Fredrik http://www.areadigital.org Custom google maps with eZ Publish http://www.meresverige.dk http://dsbfirst.meresverige.dk
Bruce Morrison	Tuesday 20 October 2009 7:46:30 pm A bit off topic but I saw Grant Robinson, the Senior Interaction Designer at Xero speak at a conference about the design process at Xero. Slides, podcast and notes can be founds here: http://www.webdirections.org/resources/grant-robinson-visualising-the-user-experience/ Cheers Bruce My Blog: http://www.stuffandcontent.com/ Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/brucemorrison Consolidated eZ Publish Feed : http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ez-publish
Fredrik Ardmar	Tuesday 20 October 2009 8:08:01 pm Hi Great link, thanks a lot. As mentioned before I think there could be a lot to learn from these "new generation" online software tools such as Xero, Basecamp, Campaign Monitor etc.. - They are built for "normal" users and not the IT department - Understanding that great design can also be good HCI - Should be able to use with basically no training - Almost "fun" to work with I'm not sure what inspiration sources are being used for the upcoming re-design of the eZ admin interface, but my humble suggestion would be to glance at these online success stories. F http://www.areadigital.org Custom google maps with eZ Publish http://www.meresverige.dk http://dsbfirst.meresverige.dk
Ekkehard Dörre	Wednesday 21 October 2009 7:52:34 am Hi all, for the "new generation" of software tools there is a good start in reading "Getting Real - A smaller, faster, better way to build software" http://gettingreal.37signals.com/toc.php and follow the paradigm "Less, but better" Dieter Rams' 10 principles for good design: http://designmuseum.org/design/dieter-rams <i>"Good design is innovative. Good design makes a product useful. Good design is aesthetic. Good design makes a product understandable. Good design is unobtrusive. Good design is honest. Good design is long-lasting. Good design is thorough down to the last detail. Good design is environmentally friendly. Good design is as little design as possible."</i> Jonathan Ive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ive was inspired by Dieter Rams http://www.designsojourn.com/jonathan-ive-design-genius-or-something-else/ and so again a good start are the Apple Human Interface Guidelines, too http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html or http://developer.apple.com/ue/index.html Greetings, ekke http://www.coolscreen.de - Over 40 years of certified eZ Publish know-how: http://www.cjw-network.com CJW Newsletter: http://projects.ez.no/cjw_newsletter - http://cjw-network.com/en/ez-publ...w-newsletter-multi-channel-marketing
Ekkehard Dörre	Tuesday 01 December 2009 4:10:12 pm Hi all, let's have a look on the new administration interface refresh documents and review them: http://pubsvn.ez.no/nextgen/trunk/doc/specifications/trunk/admin_refresh/ Twitter hash tags #epublish http://twitter.com/#search?q=ezpublish and #ezfresh http://twitter.com/#search?q=ezfresh Greetings ekke http://www.coolscreen.de - Over 40 years of certified eZ Publish know-how: http://www.cjw-network.com CJW Newsletter: http://projects.ez.no/cjw_newsletter - http://cjw-network.com/en/ez-publ...w-newsletter-multi-channel-marketing
André R.	Wednesday 02 December 2009 4:33:55 am Call for community feedback on new eZ Publish admin refresh made: http://share.ez.no/blogs/ez/administration-interface-refresh-tell-us-what-you-think Remember that this time we don't plan to just do changes in 4.3 and let it stand still for 4 years, it will now be a more incremental approach where we do some stuff in each 4.x version, and there will be a dedicated guy in charge of UI soon. So basically don't have your hopes up for 4.3 fixing everything, it will do some (as time and the 2 remaining scrum sprints allows) and then we'll do some more in 4.4 and so on. Question: IF we do this as a project, will that bring additional value for you? Will any of you like to help out? eZ Online Editor 5: http://projects.ez.no/ezoe \|\| eZJSCore (Ajax): http://projects.ez.no/ezjscore \|\| eZ Publish EE http://ez.no/eZPublish/eZ-Publish-Enterprise-Subscription @: http://twitter.com/andrerom
Nicolas Pastorino	Wednesday 02 December 2009 4:49:42 am " Twitter hash tags #epublish http://twitter.com/#search?q=ezpublish and #ezfresh http://twitter.com/#search?q=ezfresh " I'm sure you meant #ezpublish :) A concrete prototype, and a requirements document are presented here : http://share.ez.no/blogs/ez/administration-interface-refresh-tell-us-what-you-think. Please comment ! -- Nicolas Pastorino Director Community - eZ Member of the Community Project Board eZ Publish Community on twitter: http://twitter.com/ezcommunity t : http://twitter.com/jeanvoye G+ : http://plus.tl/jeanvoye
Kristof Coomans	Sunday 06 December 2009 1:53:05 am What happened to Project V if I may ask? Much announcements have been made about that, but are those plans removed back from the drawing table? independent eZ Publish developer and service provider \| http://blog.coomanskristof.be \| http://ezpedia.org
Bertrand Dunogier	Sunday 06 December 2009 12:58:56 pm As far as I can tell, there will be no "big new" eZ publish version. Everything that was planned for Project V will be implemented sooner or later (or whatever feature / approach is the most efficient at the time we get started), but in a gradual manner, for each major release (and this means twice a year). Bertrand Dunogier eZ Systems Engineering, Lyon http://twitter.com/bdunogier http://gplus.to/BertrandDunogier
Owen Fraser-Green	Monday 07 December 2009 5:12:03 am That's right. We've also been reforming the engineering department in eZ Systems for the last few months and preparing ourselves for some of the bigger changes. These changes have been a long time in the making because we're striving to introduce their benefits while causing as little pain for our users as possible. Believe me, none of the great things discussed in the past have been forgotten about; we're just trying to ensure that with every release we take a step forward without taking two steps backwards. The admin interface is a good example where we'll first start with cosmetic changes and adding some AJAX to speed up the experience but without changing the work flow. As Tony mentioned in one of the first replies to this thread back, stability is important to avoid hampering productivity for existing users. We're leading the process but we're inviting the community to give feedback on the design. Once released and we can start collecting feedback from our users, we'll begin work on the deeper usability changes.